Absolutely. So first-generation and/or low-income, again, is the acronym. But in this application they had two questions which are to determine financial aid. To me, it seems like any reader of the English language would read that in a literary sense , RG: of its self-exploration, self-doubt, trauma. Ultimately, she lost her Rhodes Scholarship, and Penn withheld her masters degree, demanding a letter of apology. And that is part of what felt like it gave me such a home, is because we had these sort of underlying shared experiences, but all came from different backgrounds to an extent, and all still supported and accepted one another. RG: Did they make that threat in writing or was that . And if you havent already, please subscribe to the show so you can hear it every week. There were three instances of attempted contact from her family or foster family. Others echoed the criticism. "[2][j], The evening the story ran, Ruderman called Fierceton back and told her she had received some anonymously written emails casting doubt on what she had written. Yes, it may be true that institutions like UPenn give students like Fierceton opportunities because of their story, but that does not mean her narrative is theirs for the taking. She considered the advantages and disadvantages of reporting her mother, but ultimately feared she might not even be believed, as her mother would tell people she was mentally ill or lying. Again following the advice of her college counselor, she did not identify her parents on her application, since she was estranged from both of them (she describes them both as "biological"[3][2]). RG: And so if its a well-educated white girl from a private school, thats way too close to home for a lot of these elites. [26] In the second, he wrote, "[y]ou could also conclude from Mackenzie Fierceton's story that there is no actual empathy within elite institutions unless you perfectly fit into the trauma hierarchy they have created, which preferences the types of overcoming-adversity stories they can place in a brochure. Fierceton was released after four days. Mackenzie Fierceton, a 2016 graduate of Whitfield School in Creve Coeur, lost the scholarship after allegations surfaced that she had provided "false narratives" to education officials, the New. Her junior year at Whitfield, a prestigious prep school, Mackenzie showed up to school one day in a terrible state. Mackenzie Fierceton (born Mackenzie Terrell on August 9, 1997; later Mackenzie Morrison, [1] : 63-64, 86 ) is an American activist and graduate student currently studying at Oxford University. After her mother left, Fierceton got out of bed, found a spare set of keys and drove herself to school. And like: Why are you considered an independent student? Now Im sobbing, Im hyperventilating, and the staff member interrupted and said: Can we have an estimate of how much time is left? Cops have accused the MTV star of stalking as well as violation of an order of protection. Teachers at Whitfield who had been supportive while she was there dropped out of touch. And I ultimately didnt end up responding because I got a serious threats from Penn that if I didnt withdraw that they were going to come after my undergrad degree, and launch proceedings to revoke my undergrad degree, and never give me my M.S.W which I was supposed to graduate with in May 2021, I have not yet received that diploma if I didnt withdraw from the Rhodes and sign an NDA. Like questioning: How much blood? And when will you have finished up your Ph.D.? Within a year of her arrest, another St. Louis-area hospital had granted her admitting privileges, and she was able to resume her medical career. Yeah. The award brings the number of Penn Rhodes Scholars to 31 since the scholarship's inception in 1902. The fact that they even challenged that really does expose a lot of whats going on here because I assume in their mind, theyre saying: Well, she went to this private school; she had a nice house; her mom probably drove a nice car maybe you even drove a decent car! In her reading, Tracy came across an article that congratulated Mackenzie Fierceton, a University of Pennsylvania graduate, on being named a Rhodes Scholar. [2] Katie Couric had Fierceton as a guest on her podcast a week later. Did she lie? And they released this quote-unquote report in April of 2021 with their findings. MF: Yeah, so Penn First for the whole FGLI community. I cant say how many questions are left and were close to done. RG: in America. She was an independent student when she applied. She wasn't poor and grew up in a wealthy household with a successful mother. She had had a fairly upper middle class life yet was working at multiple fast food restaurants and barely getting by. "[2], In December, an anonymous 22-page letter was sent to the U.S. office of the Rhodes Trust, which administers the scholarship program. Like one of them was describing a biological child in a house as another foster child, and something about a half-brother or something.What were those and how were those errors kind of deployed against you? But there was another definition that was also along those lines that I fit, that was, again, public on the website. MF: I mean, part of it is honestly like its looking at cause we just wanted to be as thorough as possible of when [laughs] I was crying, and then I was crying and taking breaths. And at the time I was more in panic mode than like, let me step back and look at this logically, theres absolutely no case, this is an intimidation tactic to try to silence me and sign this NDA and withdraw from the Rhodes and agree to whatever terms they wanted me to agree to you. And she ended up responding right away, and asked to get on a phone call. We want to think of it as: If you were ever rich, youre always rich; if youre ever poor, youre always poor. And she quickly got interest of a book deal because she was obviously such a great writer. What about Rhodes? I have some of my own theories, but I want to hear yours. Instead, I want to talk more about what this says about the system, that something so seemingly irrational could be produced by this system, and actually could be predicted to be produced by this system in some ways. And even now, The New Yorker quotes a lot from my childhood journals describing my abuse. MF: Yeah. And I think its striking to read that back and just see how clearly distressed and distraught I was in continuing to push on that series of questions about a really traumatic experience. What was the response from the readers of the paper? She recalled showing up at the foster home with her new clothes in a plastic bag, feeling "like a passenger in my own body", she recalled later. She found Fierceton's diary at the house and read it, then interviewed teachers and administrators at Whitfield, learning of Morrison's insulting texts to Fierceton. I had no idea what she already knew. And so I was like, of course, Im going to respond again. So normally the term FGLI, its just an umbrella term for both. That was my personal statement. So those questions really came later. Her account was not completely inaccurateshe described as a foster child one sibling of hers who was actually the biological child of her foster parents, for instance, which she attributed later to not having developed her essay at length. Fierceton joins Ryan Grim to discuss the saga of her battle with UPenn and why the Ivy Leagueinstitution seems to have so much trouble recognizing the complexity of poverty in America. Mackenzie Fierceton has lost her Rhodes scholarship and her University of Pennsylvania master's degree is being held after an anonymous tipster called out alleged inaccuracies in her school and scholarship applications. Its a very different lifestyle. Penn has released its hold on a master of social work degree from Mackenzie Fierceton the former Rhodes Scholarship recipient who filed a lawsuit against the University following its investigation into allegations that she falsified her status as a first-generation, low-income student and survivor of abuse. And we do know for sure that she was in touch with the university. Its a very under-researched field. Given the pandemic, Rhodes Scholar judges interviewed candidates over Zoom. And with that, like you said, notion of: Well, theres no way that you went to private school and all of this could have still happened, or that you could be low-income now and this idea that socioeconomic status is permanent. And after you talked to the school, how did you get to school the next morning? January 7, 2022. And that dynamic, I would say, [laughs] probably played a big part in all of this. If you speak, Im going to disconnect you from the call. She was abused, but there is not enough blood." Like what does Penn say when you tell them: Hey, the Penn official who helped me fill this out said that these are the categories that I fit. It finds the definition the university's office uses, without that language, as being more determinative; Penn First, the FGLI student organization Fierceton had been involved with, also used that definition on its website for most of the time she was an undergraduate. But its relevant to financial aid and the student should check whatever box is going to give them most access to financial aid, which would be yes to both questions. What foster family were you with in X,Y, Z year? She had lived with her mother since her parents divorced acrimoniously during her childhood, and a guardian ad litem was appointed to represent Fierceton's interests in the proceeding, during which abuse allegations were made. "[3][l], The Chronicle story led to nationwide coverage,[17][18] most of which framed the narrative as Penn and the Rhodes Trust had in their reports, depicting Fierceton as yet another exposed fraud. I wrote a poem about the actual what the message was, which is so cheesy and Im cringing at my 17-year-old self [laughs], but it was about the healing power of gratitude. I wrote a poem about the actual what the message was, which is so cheesy and Im cringing at my 17-year-old self [laughs], but it was about the healing power of gratitude. [2], Brandt noted that Morrison never asked about, or expressed concern for, her daughter's well-being. There was, yes, disagreement, because I said there was blood in my hair in the essay, they said there wasnt enough blood or there wasnt blood or something. RG: I want to talk about where you think that pushback came from. MF: And that is, I felt very defeated too. While that was not literally true, Penn's own definition of an FGLI student included those who have a "strained or limited" relationship with a parent who has graduated from college. And we have this idea of what a person looks like who commits a crime or who gets arrested for child abuse. And so they had to see some benefit to them in doing this. I n November 2020, University of Pennsylvania graduate student Mackenzie Fierceton, 24, won the Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford University. Enough bruises? Mother and daughter both told the same stories they had earlier; Morrison depicted her daughter as "willful and intense", claiming she had bought and read many books to try to help her understand the issues she said Fierceton had. I mean, youd been taking loss after loss, despite having the facts on your side. Cause then you cant think that it could be you. Her mentor told Licht afterwards that "it felt like an attack on a student" and that she had never experienced anything like it. And so, like I mentioned earlier, I dont want to go over too much of the history that led up to your battle with Penn and with the Rhodes trust, because people can find that in The New Yorker article that came out recently, you went over that in some pretty decent length; in Katie Courics podcast in a recent interview there. [Laughs.]. That is when I would trace it back to. in America. As a result she withdrew from the Rhodes Scholarship; a sympathetic Penn faculty member has paid her Oxford tuition in its stead.[2]. Whereas white parents, a lot of times, it is much harder the bar is much higher to remove them from their homes because their whiteness or possibly class privilege or whatever identities that they have that might not fit a social worker or judges or whoevers involved perception of whose kids should be in the foster system. I mean, youd been taking loss after loss, despite having the facts on your side. Mackenzie Fierceton was championed as a former foster youth who had overcome an abusive childhood and won a prestigious Rhodes Scholarship. The department of social services substantiated Mackenzies allegations, as did the Missouri Child Abuse and Neglect Review Board, which is an independent state panel. And they released this quote-unquote report in April of 2021 with their findings. She began to realize that she had no sense of identity. I think they have said, well, theres different definitions and the dean who is the dean of the grad school said: Well, thats not our definition. And we had a fairly lengthy conversation, just kind of going through the ins and outs of my childhood and left it at, she was like: OK, I understand now and Im just going to leave this. Her mother was arrested and charged with abuse, and Mackenzie went into foster care. MF: I think youre right. 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