Thank you for all of this; would not have done it without you. Thank you. When you flush with permeate to rinse filters are you doing this under pressure with the needle valve nearly closed or with the valve wide open? and3.5-4 after I ran mine thru the RO system. Last year, I made about 1 gallon of sap and used 4(!!!) I got a 0 to 10% refractometer that resolves considerably better than my old 0 to 32 job. Is this due to only having 3 membranes or is there something else Im missing. You are very welcome Jill just 4 years ago I was someone like you and needed all the help I could get. , Clarissayou may be shocked to know that in the process of writing Sweet Maple I have talked to numerous folks in the Pacific Northwest who very successfully tap trees and make syrup!! containerEl: '#fd-form-608a538fe8b3a8e1e4d62a1d' Thanks for doing this, we will follow up with some of your cookbooks, etc. I guess looking at the elbows and paying attention to the image of your setup is crucial to a correct build. The filters in the RO serve the same purpose as they would if you were using them in a water purifying system they take out the impurities in the sap, leaving only water (permeate) except in this case the impurities are the sugars, which of course is exactly what we want to keep. It comes ready-to-use and just needs a test run to check for loose fittings before hooking it up to your sap. I am hoping to make one before this years season! We never need to clean them during the season, but every time we use it we run some permeate through the system before shutting it off for the night. Killer Key Lime Pie. Your email address will not be published. I have no idea what to expect it to look like while running. I cant wait to hear what you do with the permeate, and or what you use it for! I have assembled the RO setup like yours. Cost-wise, the investment can pay for itself in just a few years with this savings. I hear you could pull 50% of the water off. Have you noticed your syrup having a Different taste when you started using an ros system. What pressure do you run at? Maple syrup is produced typically from maple sap concentrated by nanofiltration or reverse osmosis at a moderate Brix level ranging from 6 to 16 Brix followed by heat evaporation. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. But I can absolutely answer your second question. process that can speed up syrup production by removing a significant RO Maple systems enhance the syrup We live in the Deep South. Also, is it normal for the system to not continuously flow into the filter housing? Hi Michael, No need to apologize I could never build one of these myself. Some of them are in series like yours and some ROs are set up in parallel. First at the lowest pressure and then, the second time, at the highest pressure. The 1/4 ID has a 3/8 OD. Costs for home producers are relatively high [68] In 2019 it led with over 7.8million litres (2.07million US gallons), followed by New York with 3.1millionL (820,000USgal) and Maine with 2.2millionL (580,000USgal). Based on 403 gm / liter of sucrose at 35 Brix, that comes out 250 grams or only 2/3 of available sugar at start. Hi Bob, I just asked Bill. Thanks for all the hard work you do to spread the sweetness! Part of the problem here is describing the tubing. Correction to my previous posted question about the booster pump with transformer. Thanks again for this post! Ok thanks, how do you flush the system, how often would you do it, and what do you do to store it? Hi Michelle, 2. 10. He has 400 trees. N ow that I have gone to a small backyard evaporator I plan on building one because I do know what an RO will do for me, I just did not want to lay out th money for even the small ones that most of the Maple company make. Out of stock Categories: DIY Maple Syrup Supplies, Packages Ill try to remember to get back to you! This kit is indeed awesome! Making maple syrup is something Ive wished we could do since we lived in New England for a couple of years. Thank you so much for sharing this DIY RO set-up. icon below: window.fd('form', { Boiling has been my limitation in the whole process for both time and fuel reasons. Have you added a pressure switch or have a recommendation for one that would be a good one to use for this setup? If the weather is going to be particularly warm, we can take this smaller amount of sap and pop it in a cooler or the fridge so it doesnt warm up too much. Seriously. There are no reverse osmosis systems on the market for a backyard sugarmaker. So weve actually never tried to run it in an unheated area. Honestly, getting all the pieces is the largest drain on your time. Im a VERY small backyard producer, making less than 10 gallons of syrup per year. Hi Michelle, I did find this suggestion for the seasonal storage of RO membranes: Storing your membranes in the off season: Carrie Williams Howe is an educational leader by day and an aspiring homesteader by night and weekend. Why four membranes? Tap, Distilled, Reverse Osmosis. Rev O did 0.03 kwh per gallon water removed I just received all the parts recommended ( I went for 4 100GPD filters) and it cost me just under 500$. Recently, new membrane processes have been developed to concentrate maple sap to ultra-high Brix reaching up to 40 Brix. Thanks for your reply Michelle. Halekulani. I love homesteading and cant wait to get back to it soon, although we wont be making maple syrup since we live in the Pacific Northwest. We run it at 60/70. For that reason, it actually makes more sense for a backyard operation. While running 2 each 75 gpd Axeons in series at about 100, I thought was seeing > 0%. The first time through, the flow rate, at 70psi, is about 3 min/gal and I get about 20% permeate. Plenty of elbow grease and lots of clean, hot water are the best cleaning agents for maple syrup equipment. Approaches to syrup production. If you have a new parts list that you used, with the corrected item #s and details, that would be helpful. Every time we use the RO we run the permeate through the system (both sideswe close the brass valve and let it run) before shutting it all down for the night. Thank you in advance for your time as well as your assistance. Looking forward to next year. Making maple syrup is a labor of love, especially for a hobby sugaring operation with small equipment. Im assembling the RO system now, and everything is going great. Ive enjoyed your posts about it immensely and Im amazed at how much fuel it takes to make just one pint, so this little gadget that Bill put together must be a wonderful time- and fuel-saver. Hopefully, Bill or another crafter can offer advice on this issue. I MAY be able to talk hubby into it though He was wondering if there is upkeep/maintenence needed on the needle valve? I need to get me some Sweet Maple! If you mean needle valve, its on the permeate side. Funding for this project was made possible by the U.S. Department of Agricultures (USDA) Agricultural Marketing Service through grant AM170100XXXXG167, awarded to the University of Vermont Proctor Maple Research Center. Question: Why the Aquatic CDP 8800 water booster pump that requires a transformer? If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Hi, love what you have come up with. The amount of wood we were using was starting to feel counter-productive. Ive never met a hydrometer that measures sugar content of sap, but my latest purchase makes me extra happy in that category. No, reverse osmosis doesnt remove sugar from your sap. Thanks for doing the legwork to find the correct tubing. Im about to build my unit thanks to your posting! I ask because I honestly do not know. IS THAT MY PROBLEM? My goal for this was to have it run when Im not actively monitoring it and want to save the pump. And were left with pure, cool permeate but well talk more about the permeate and how we like to use it in another post, later this season. Give a couple of wraps of teflon tape and seal. My personal mission is to help my family become more self-reliant and more connected to the land on which we live. Copyright 2023 Souly Rested | Powered by Astra WordPress Theme. so many great questions Katharine! The 1/4 inch tubing works fine into the pump, no need to convert. I love my Nikon; you canread more about my camera and even purchase your own here. We just finished putting it all together. Click either the item name or the picture for ordering information. I just found your post this a.m. after writing Michelle this weekend with the same issues. If I use a cheaper RV pump that can get up to 60 PSI would I run into trouble? WebTotal 9584 products from sugar free substitute for maple syrup Manufactures & Suppliers I use pruning shears. Have you done any upgrades to your present listed system at all? Webbiogen senior engineer ii salary. My sap went from1.5% sugar to 4 to 5% sugar after running through my ro. But Im a little slow. If not, well prop it up in the bathroom, by the tub, to let the permeate run down the drain. The Mapel Fever is almost here.. Like Michele said for little cost a refractometer is really fun. WebPlace maple syrup and mustard in small bowl and stir with fork to combine. so am excited to get this up and running. lets just say you would just look at all those parts and cry and call for your daughter or husband, who are the true engineers in the family. I am going to give it a go. just goes to show attention to detail is vital. The pump is available for sale on line; I linked to the one we use above. I got a lot of wet. The second time through runs at about 4-5 min/gal and yields an additional 20-25% permeate. Thanks for the instructions and parts list. Do not see it in the drawing. On that unit I used all 3/8 lines and 3/8 fittings and Assuming your sap is gravity feed to the pump, is there any suggested distance above the pump for the container of sap to be for this to work? I found that with the 2 types of tubing, the part number provided for the 3/8 tubing is 3/8 ID but 1/2 OD. even read about storing the filters in permeate. All very-long-cold-New-England winter. The process takes about 30 minutes to transform the syrup into a gorgeous golden, thickened maple cream. You can try a 0-10% refractometer you can find these for 20-30 bucks on Amazon! After running your sap through your RO (you can run it through twice if you want) you want to IMMEDIATELY process it. lol. Everything I ever write about maple gets added to that one board. Thank you Michelle. But for now, our little homemade one gets the job done. Especially the maple section because we have been making 11 years on Prince Edward Island. One change I am making this year though is to use snap it valves rather than the brass needle valve, as I always had trouble with the brass valve leaking. have 3/8 there in the wonderful diagram and Im guessing that the rest of the tubing is 1/4. Im still a little unclear on the cleaning procedure after each run during the season. (My husband labeled it permiate spelling was never his strong suit. I am sure that this will only be first of many questions. WebReverse osmosis greatly reduces the time and energy spent in boiling maple syrup by pulling much of the water from the sap before the boiling process begins. The permeate cleans out the filters. I have run straight hot water thru and the water drain flows freely. We live in nowhere-ville, so traveling to Lowes is quite a trek. I looked into RO years ago but never realized one could build one. Great question, Jerry. I got it all through amazon, eventually (after returns for having the wrong size fittings thank you Kohls). And a pleasant way to describe your knowledge. Knowing our sap has been filtered and is safe to use for longer helps us feel better about waiting until the weekend to boil. Bill confuses me sometimes too. Never ever occurred to me that an RO system could be used in this manner. I have been doing a small amount of mapling in PA over the pat few years, slowly adding to my process. What a huge time saver. See a 2,100-tap operation using a tubing/vacuum system, reverse osmosis and a wood pellet-fired evaporator. I love making syrup, and baking with syrup, and writing about maple syrup, but I do not know how to build something like this awesome Reverse Osmosis set up that we have. 0; . Thanks for that suggestion. I run hydrogen peroxide thru at the end of each season and vacuum seal the filters. Our maple syrup operation manager (aka hubby) built a reverse osmosis (RO) filter system that we run our sap through before boiling. I had different results than most users that Ive read, but the results are exceptional. Thanks for letting us know Martin! My regular syrup hydrometer just wont measure the small amounts of sugar If you have any ideas on which one to buy that would help. 3. Im pretty sure sugar maple trees would grow here, but in zone 8, would they make syrup? Thanks for your help. When its time to start up the RO again the next year, all we do is take the filters out of the fridge and use them. Thats what we boil down to make syrup. So happy sugaring and thanks for the simple RO. That is insane return. Remember maple sap is almost pure table sugar / sucrose. This system is fantastic! Place your membranes into the vessel or vessels (I use 2 so they are easier to manage and store) and cover with the Metabisulfite Sodium solution. I know nothing, as you can tell. Another unique benefit of the Sugar Cube is that it adds an Ultraviolet (UV) filter to the system as well. Our family lives on 14 wooded acres, and we cut and store a lot of wood. This post contains affiliate links & I may receive commissions for purchases made through links in this post. . $12.99. I wouldnt know how to even cut the plywood the size I wanted it. What happens if you use fewer membranes? Its rather simple, its rather small, but its totally huge on savings. It was amazing!, Check out my book, Sweet Maple, with 5-star reviews, touted as the book of wisdom on all things maple, Professional Sugarmakers Tips on How to Make Maple Syrup, How to use pumps to make your sap collection so much easier, My detailed list of all the best tools for a backyard sugarmaker. Hi Michelle, I was setting up my RO. Im wondering if your system would cope? Hi Tim. Psalm 34:8. We have never replaced the filters. In a backyard operation, most folks who want to make syrup will use a wood-fired evaporator like this one from Vermont Evaporator Company. I found that leaving out in the sun and wind did more than just rinsing with water daily. Wisconsin has won every family taste test (blind of course). if this works I plan on expanding to an additional 5 trees but being only having 6 trees at my disposal expanding is limited. I flushed the system after each run. Hi Mark, Its all Greek to me, but Bill said thats just his perference but you definitely can choose something else. Does it cope ok? Greetings: I just received the last of the items needed to begin assembling. I would boil this down in less than 3 hours in my 24 pan. Hi Michele, Just wanted to add after you told me about getting a refractometer. Every Happy sugaring! Thank you, Gordie, for letting me know all of this!! Funny you think we have a sap house boy wouldnt THAT be nice!? About - Build Your Own Reverse Osmosis System For Maple Syrup Michelle, I and two others donate sap to our county park district to boil down. Cost then was quite high to buy. Okay, the 90% is for the big-wigs, using the really fancy, high-end ROs, but this sweet little DIY RO saves us at least 50% of our costs here on our little sugarbush every year, so man-oh-man is it worth it! These prices are excluding tax and shipping and excluding the extras Id need to get at the hardware store. And finally, whats the function of the clear line filter? I keep having to relearn to push the tubing ALL THE WAY IN. The authors homemade PVC hangers for collecting syrup. Great questions. My questions are. Me? I also list, below, every single item Bill bought to build our system. WHAT PRESSURE SHOULD I HAVE? You could run it through even more times, with 2 membranes, but of course youd be quadrupling your work time. I walk you though each part of the system and explain what each part is/does. I read somewhere that there are special chemicals for that. By morning I would have 30 40 gallons of sap to boil down. Do you still have to filter the syrup prior to bottling? Does it make sense that the flow from both the permeate and the clean water is similar? Tony Hansen How to Turn Maple Sap into Maple-Syrup. See if I have this correct: It seems that the photo of your system depicts a gray line (shown behind the RO membrane filters) draws the raw sap from the supply and goes through the pump to the filters. Hi Wayne, Maybe you need to play with your needle valve and adjust the pressure? About quick connects: Hi, what is Bill using This item for? We wont cover the full instructions for building your system in this article, but this set of instructions from Souly Rested offers great guidance on how to do so. I get this a lot and just realized I need to update the above post to explain this to folks! But seriously, you cantry out Prime for totally freefor 30 days. What I see of it looks like an improvement over mine. Like you said in your post I bought most of my stuff on Amazon, and it was not hard to put together, especially now everyone can see your instructions. It fills up, then doesnt refill until it appears to be a little less than half empty. Looks like there is a shut off between the supply line and the pump to control the flow? The RO membrane housing came with what looks like a pressure release check valve for one of the outlets if needed did you put yours on the pure water or the permeate side Thanks Steve, Hi Steven. Happy sugaring!! Im retired and a one-man band. Sorry about that confusion, Jason, Bill is wondering if Lowes changed the manufacturer or item #s on us. Except sugarmakers use the idea in reverse. Im a New England homesteader and the author of, heres a facebook live video showing how it works, one of the Top 20 Must-Read Homesteading Blogs of 2018, read more about my camera and even purchase your own here, One tip that will save you hundreds on your DIY maple syrup, https://soulyrested.com/2017/04/12/make-maple-syrup-step-step/, https://soulyrested.com/snag-free-ebooks/, https://soulyrested.com/2020/01/25/how-to-make-syrup-what-tools-do-you-need/, https://soulyrested.com/2020/03/02/how-to-make-syrup-using-pumps-for-collecting-sap/, Chocolate Chip Cookies made with fresh flour, 8 Things You Can Make (Better) Yourself (S4, E10). Think we have a sap house boy wouldnt that be nice! build. I wanted it so weve actually never tried to run it through twice if you continue to use site! Is similar never tried to run it in an unheated area clear line filter to spread the sweetness processes been. And paying attention to detail is vital wait to hear what you it. 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